Listening: A Strategy and Change Blog | Hosfeld & Associates

By Kathleen Hosfeld

By a small miracle, I took part in a recent phone survey conducted on behalf of a local grocery chain that has recently built a new store in West Seattle, where we live. I say it was a small miracle as I’m usually screened out right away because of our work.  For some reason, they didn’t ask, and I didn’t tell.

As a result, I offered what I hoped to be really helpful information for the survey. I was somewhat taken aback when the interviewer called me again minutes later to say that some of my answers “didn’t fit their categories,” and her supervisor wanted me to  please provide responses that fit their categories.

What they wanted to know is who had the 1) best bakery, 2) best produce, 3) lowest prices. The answers that I gave that didn’t fit their categories had to do with sustainability.  One of the things I told the interviewer is that I choose my grocery stores on how easily I can walk to them.   I told her that organic produce was important to me. One of the things I would also tell them – but didn’t have the chance — is that I choose my grocery store on its citizenship, its support of local farmers, and the amount of local produce it offers. None of these criteria fit their survey. Within walking distance of my home, I have three stores that offer great examples of these qualities. They have great bakeries and good produce. One has low prices.

I realize that I am what they call an “outlier” – someone not in the mainstream.  (Or maybe I am in the mainstream but no one is measuring what matters to me, so there’s no data to back this up.)The lesson for companies: listen to the outliers. Give them a chance to give you an answer you don’t expect.  By ignoring the unusual, you may be ignoring the new paradigm that will change your industry forever. You may be ignoring a chance to see where your market may be going before it’s too late.

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In an interview with KUOW’s Ross Reynolds, Temple University history professor and author Bryant Simon raised an interesting question for those of us engaged with the marketing implications of a commitment to sustainability. Simon has recently authored a book titled “Everything but the Coffee,” a book about the impact of Starbucks on culture and society.

In the interview Simon said that buying a cup of coffee whose brand values include fostering a sense of community (the idea of Starbucks’ locations as a social hub or “third place”) does not mean you will actually experience community. This, no doubt, depends on how one defines community. Simon’s definition, as expressed in the interview,  includes democratic debate and dissent. Fostering civic dialogue is not a core element of the Starbuck’s store experience so for Simon it’s not creating “real” community. For many of Starbucks’ customers, however, community may be like the old TV show “Cheers,” a place where “everybody knows your name.” Being a “regular” at a particular Starbucks (or any other coffee place), where the baristas know your favorite order can lead to this type of community feeling.

As he concludes the interview, Simon raises an important issue for those of us bringing the values of sustainability into brands and marketing strategies. He says that the values to which brands try to appeal may not be values that can be realized through how we spend our money. My paraphrase of his statement from the interview is that it’s good news if people really want the values that Starbucks promotes, because the brand promotes positive social and environment change. He says, however, if we think we are creating those changes simply by buying Starbucks coffee, we’ve missed the point.

“If we judge our desires by what we buy from Starbucks – if we want a greener planet, if we want more connections, if we want social justice around the world – (these) are values that could build a more democratic order. The problem is we’re not going to get them through buying,” is my rough transcription of his comments.

Purchase decisions alone are not enough to effect the cultural and political change that we need to address society’s most pressing environmental and social needs. However, purchase decisions are not irrelevant. Does buying a sustainable product relinquish us from the responsibility to be citizens who vote and take part in civic dialogue? No. But every purchase decision is a tiny vote for the things we think are important, and a way to support those companies who are sincere in their intent to create meaningful change through their work.

Listen to the archived interview here. Reynolds interview with Simon starts at minute 34 in the Real Audio file. I’d like to know what you think.

By Kathleen Hosfeld

I’m a fan of perspectives that make sense of seemingly conflicting points of view. This is why I love PEAK: How Great Companies Get Their Mojo From Maslow by Chip Conley.

Conley, owner of the Joie de Vivre boutique hotel chain in California, writes about his own and others’ experiences in cultivating deeply satisfying relationships with employees, customers and investors (this book is a very readable compendium of stakeholder marketing ideas). His stakeholder strategies ultimately contributed to the survival of his company in the travel industry meltdown following 9/11. He based his methods on the teachings of psychologist Abraham Maslow.

“Maslow believed that human beings seek to meet base needs for sleep, water and food (physiological)” Conley writes, and that we focus on the lowest unmet need at a time. “As those needs are partially fulfilled we move up … to higher needs for physical safety, affiliation or social connection, and esteem.” Finally, we aspire to the top of the pyramid which is self-actualization.

Conley used Maslow’s hierachy to map out how his company satisfied these needs for employees, customers and investors (his key stakeholders). His book provides a wealth of detail on how his firm did this, how others have done it and how to apply this to your own firm.

So what conflicting points of view does he brings together?  Depending on your own view of human nature, as a marketer you may find yourself believing one of the following views about how to win customers: 1) customers act from their most base needs (bottom of hierarchy) or 2) customers act (or should) from their highest motivations (top of the hierarchy) and values.  This dichotomy shows up starkly in branding and advertising models, many of which assume we make all our purchase decisions with the most primitive part of our brain. There’s a tension between these and the strategies that try to sell products based on “doing the right thing,” assuming green or social criteria will make a difference. (They can and do, but sometimes not enough).

The truth that Conley articulates so well is that good marketing and good relationships address both of these polarized views and all the needs in between.

Take customer relationships for example. The most basic need a customer has, according to Conley, is that we meet their expectations. Our products and services have to do what they expect them to do. He points out, however, that this alone rarely creates loyalty or the more-coveted evangelism.  Fostering loyalty means identifying the desires customers have, which are typically desires for social connection/belonging and esteem. Evangelism comes when we offer customers the opportunity for transformation and self-actualization – to be more fully themselves, or the self they long to be.

This is solid advice for any firm that thinks it’s not tapping the full potential of its customer relationships. Start with the basics: Are we clear about what our clients expectations are for our product or service?  Are we meeting their survival and safety needs? Second, how are our relationships and interactions – do we provide warm customer service? Do we make our clients feel important and valued? Finally, do we offer our clients an opportunity to be more than just a consumer?

At Joie de Vivre, they meet the top of the pyramid by offering what Conley calls “identity refreshment.”  You stay at a hip hotel and you feel like the hipster you want to be. Through examples such as Harley Davidson, Whole Foods, Apple Computer, the high tech service group Geek Squad, as well as his own company, Conley provides numerous creativity-sparking stories and examples.  The book is packed with tips for how to apply these ideas in your own firm.  Equally valuable are his suggestions for building strong partnerships with employees and investors.

Can companies do reasonably well at the bottom or the middle of the hierarchy? Certainly. If you aspire, however, to levels of relationship that create evangelists for your brand, and resilient companies that can withstand volatile economic cycles, says Conley, you need to deliver value at all the points along the hierarchy: survival, success and transformation.